[PMPT] Photo identification and sign off: Re: photo sharing
McGroarty, Inara
inaram at palsnet.info
Thu Jun 19 10:56:53 CDT 2008
Flip side
Got home and saw the latest updates on my son's web site where he not only has photos of the children, but also their names. Now that would make for easy identification!
With his generation, this doesn't seem to be all that unusual. Whether it's smart is another matter.
Inara
Inara L. McGroarty
Advocacy Coordinator
Prairie Area Library System
4021 Morsay Drive
Rockford, IL 61107
inaram at palsnet.info
-----Original Message-----
From: pmpt-bounces at mailman.palsnet.info [mailto:pmpt-bounces at mailman.palsnet.info] On Behalf Of Hutchinson, Judy
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:32 AM
To: pmpt at mailman.palsnet.info
Subject: [PMPT] FW: [prtalk] Re: RE: RE: RE: Re: photo sharing
PMPT members -
Lisa Lockheart asked me to forward this after yesterday's discussion.
Thanks,
Judy
Judy Hutchinson
Administrative Services Manager
Prairie Area Library System
220 W. 23rd Ave, PO Box 125
Coal Valley, IL 61240
judyh at palsnet.info
309-799-3155, x 3150
877-LIB-PALS
www.palsnet.info
-----Original Message-----
From: Lisa A. Lockheart [mailto:Lockheart.Lisa at rigov.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 1:08 PM
To: Hutchinson, Judy
Subject: FW: [prtalk] Re: RE: RE: RE: Re: photo sharing
________________________________________
From: Bryan Carson [bryan.carson at wku.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:13 PM
To: prtalk at ala.org
Subject: [prtalk] Re: RE: RE: RE: Re: photo sharing
Marsha Iverson and Frances Roehm are right on the money! I would
definitely ask for permission before using photos of children for PR,
advertising, marketing, or promotional purposes. There is a concept
called the "right of publicity" which is related to privacy rights. The
laws vary from state to state, but the best thing to do is to ask
permission of anyone who is identifiable in the picture.
Remember the little girl in the Morton Salt commercial, "When it rains
it pours!" The image of the little girl was the daughter of a company
executive. It was taken without permission. The executive sued and won a
large settlement (plus ongoing revenues from licensing the image).
Pictures of adults taken at a public forum are fine, but kids are a very
different situation. Always be sure you have permission to use the image
of a minor child. Otherwise, shoot the picture from behind.
Bryan
Marsha Iverson wrote:
> We are careful to separate who took the photo-if the newspaper takes the
> photograph, it's their responsibility to handle legal issues. If they're
> nice, they make sure to get names (and implied permission), and the "in
> a public place" is generally adequate for news coverage. Advertising,
> marketing, PR, and promotions are different.
>
>
>
> Since we, as a public agency in charge of said public place, will use
> the images for promotion and in possible advertising and fundraising
> efforts, we get the legal paperwork.
>
>
>
> I know there's at least one subscriber to this list who actually has
> some legal expertise...Bryan, are you around?
>
> / /
>
> */Marsha Iverson
> /*/Public Relations Specialist
> King County Library System
> 960 Newport Way NW
> Issaquah, WA 98027
> 425.369.3277
> miverson at kcls.org
> //KCLS NewsRoom <http://kcls.mediaroom.com/>/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Linda Swisher [mailto:SWISHL at hammond.lib.in.us]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 17, 2008 1:38 PM
> *To:* prtalk at ala.org
> *Subject:* [prtalk] RE: RE: Re: photo sharing
>
>
>
> When I worked for a newspaper, that's what we did too. I understand that
> libraries, schools, etc., now recommend signed releases. One of our
> local news editors said it really handcuffs their photo staff from
> getting in, getting photos, and getting out. Papers don't want to shoot
> from behind since having people's names, or photos with recognizable
> faces, are what sell papers (an extra copy for Grandma, etc.).
>
>
>
> My local park district used just a disclaimer (as the originator of this
> thread proposed), but now has parents sign a photo release section
> incorporated onto the registration form.
>
>
>
> We don't require registration. Since all the previous replies involved
> signed releases, I wondered just how they go about getting them signed;
> where the forms are stored and for how long, etc. I do have releases but
> since so many kids come in alone or with someone who is not authorized
> to sign on their behalf, I usually avoid the whole issue by shooting
> from behind or not shooting the audience at all.
>
>
>
> I did that for a recent much smaller program and emailed the photos to
> staff. One librarian replied, "Didn't anybody attend?"
> So I reminded her, "Sure, but since I had no signed releases, I couldn't
> shoot their faces."
>
>
>
> Linda Swisher
>
>> >> "Pam May" <Pam.May at kanawha.lib.wv.us> 6/17/2008 2:18 PM >>>
>
> Linda,
>
>
>
> Thanks for asking these questions.
>
>
>
> Maybe I'm wrong, but I've always presumed (from discussions in
> journalism school -- mind you, that was back in the Bronze Age, and
> maybe things have changed since then) that if you're in a public place,
> you give up your expectation of privacy, and you're fair game for a
> photographer -- particularly if your image is not going to be used to
> generate any money for the organization using it.
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Pam May
> Marketing Supervisor
> Kanawha County Public Library
> 123 Capitol St.
> Charleston WV 25301
> 304-343-4646, ext. 246
> www.kanawhalibrary.org
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Linda Swisher [mailto:SWISHL at hammond.lib.in.us]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:11 PM
> *To:* prtalk at ala.org
> *Subject:* [prtalk] RE: Re: photo sharing
>
> My question is about the logistics. I'd appreciate knowing how you
> do these things I've never been able to figure out:
>
> * How do you all get signatures on a release form when 100
> people are streaming into your meeting room and the program starts in 5
> minutes? (We do not use program registration.)
>
> * How do you photograph Kid A (whose Mom signed the form) but
> avoid Kid B (who's sitting right next to Kid A, but came to the library
> by himself?)
>
> * What do you do with the signed release forms? Dump in one
> giant folder for the year? File in folders by program?
> How long do you keep the forms?
>
> * How many staff do you have at programs that you can introduce
> the program, shoot photos, and still pursue parents to sign forms?
>
> Linda Swisher
>
> Hammond (IN) Public Library
>
>> >> "Frances Roehm" <FRoehm at skokielibrary.info> 6/16/2008 6:24 PM >>>
>
> We get a release signed by any adult or teen that we photograph so that
> we can use the pix in a print
>
> flyer or on the web. If a child, the parent signs it for us.
>
>
>
>
>
> Frances E. Roehm
> SkokieNet Librarian
> Skokie Public Library
> phone: 847.324.3173 fax: 847.673.7797
> email: froehm at skokielibrary.info <mailto:froehm at skokielibrary.info>
>
>
> **** SkokieNet : Making Connections and Building Community in Skokie,
> Illinois since 1995! ****
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* Debby Preiser [mailto:dpreiser at oppl.org]
> *Sent:* Monday, June 16, 2008 4:56 PM
> *To:* prtalk at ala.org; Erin Maassen
> *Subject:* [prtalk] Re: photo sharing
>
> I have a release which I developed for use with a volunteer
> photographer taking photos of individuals using the library for
> the Strategic Plan document. But I would like to hear what others
> say about disclaimers. When I take photos at a children's event, I
> try to announce that I am staff and we may be using photos for PR
> purposes. We do not send photos to Flickr -- only use on our own
> website and in publications without naming children. Only once did
> a parent object -- her daughter was terrified of the flash. So, I
> stayed far away from her daughter.
>
>
>
> Others have been tremendously excited -- one mother from India was
> thrilled to send photos of her children at a library program to
> family back home. I'd love to hear what others use. Debby
>
>
> Deborah Dowley Preiser
> Public Information Officer
> Oak Park Public Library
> (708) 697-6915
> http://www.oppl.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Erin Maassen" <emaassen at cooklib.org>
> To: <prtalk at ala.org>
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:59:21 -0500
> Subject: [prtalk] photo sharing
>
>
> I 'd like to start using photos from programs on social networking
> sites. I ' m wondering what the proper procedure is for post ing
> pictures of kids at programs on photo-sharing sites like flickr.
>
> I currently have a disclaimer on our newsletter that says that
> everyone who participates in library programs/activities must permit
> the taking of photographs for publication and use in future
> publications and that staff will ask for permission for all other
> photos.
>
> Does anyone have a policy that requires photo releases? Does the
> disclaimer negate the need for a release? I 'm looking for thoughts
> and opinions on the pros/cons of releases and disclaimers.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Erin Maassen
>
> Public Relations Manager
> Cook Memorial Public Library District
> (847) 362-2348 ext. 108
>
> /Building a Better Future at/ www.cooklib.org
> <file:///\\www.cooklib.org>
>
--
Bryan M. Carson, J.D., M.I.L.S.
Associate Professor/Coordinator of Reference & Instructional Services
Western Kentucky University Libraries
Author, "The Law of Libraries and Archives" (Scarecrow Press)
Ed.D Student, Higher Ed. Leadership & Policy, Vanderbilt University
1906 College Heights Blvd. #11067
Bowling Green, Kentucky 42101-1067
Phone: 270-745-5007; Fax: 270-745-2275
bryan.carson at wku.edu
All original content copyright 2008 Bryan M. Carson
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