FW: RE: [Pgindexingsub] 505 and Keyword Relevancy

[Slanicky, John]

-----Original Message-----
From: Slanicky, John 
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:41 PM
To: 'Laura Watson'; Judy Moore; Smith, Culley;
pgindexingsub at palsnet.info
Subject: RE: RE: [Pgindexingsub] 505 and Keyword Relevancy

Wow, Laura! Thanks for this explanation. Now I understand the thought
process behind the suggestion.

I think I'll just take the MARC records into the meeting room and tell
them a nice story! :-)

John


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Laura Watson [mailto:Laura.Watson at highland.edu]
> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:01 PM
> To: Judy Moore; Smith, Culley; Slanicky, John; 
> pgindexingsub at palsnet.info
> Subject: Fwd: RE: [Pgindexingsub] 505 and Keyword Relevancy
> 
> Some clarification for John and all.
> 
> The search for "high church" was on all libraries.  It was the same in

> EPS and IBistro.  It was done both as a title and as a keyword search 
> with the same lame results.  This demonstrated that the setup for 
> keyword search was no different than the setup for title searching.
> 
> There is no title in the collection which includes the phrase 'high 
> church."  The results were the same for advanced search screen radio 
> buttons exact, left-to-right and keywords.  Of course the desired 
> results for a title search on "high church" would be either NOTHING or

> a list of titles with the phrase "high church."  There is no reason 
> hopeful patrons should search through 96 records to find out that the 
> results are nothing.  It has not been answered whether or not it is 
> even possible to restrict your search to a particular phrase (as 
> opposed to individual keywords) in SIRSI.
>   
> Note that title browse in IBISTRO shows that high church is not  in 
> the alphabetical list of titles BEGINNING with high.
> But a) title browse is so far off to the right in the advanced search 
> screen that you have to scroll to the right to even know it is an 
> option  b) most patrons don't know what that signifies and c)it is 
> still not searching for the phrase "high church" within the title.
> 
> It seems reasonable to assume that when you do a title search you are 
> searching only the title fields.  I do not see any reason to remove 
> the 505 from the keyword searches.
> 
> --Laura Watson, HCCY
> laura.watson at highland.edu
> 
> 
> >>> "Slanicky, John" <johns at palsnet.info> 8/20/2007 11:26 AM >>>
> Hi-
> I think I'm missing something here. This question pertains to the OPAC

> correct, EPS specifically? More so, the Advanced Search option or is 
> this when radio buttons are added to the search screen for Keyword, 
> Browse, Exact?
> "General" as a search index is in the Staff Client-and serves as the 
> catch all. You know if you use this index option you'll get way more 
> than you need.
> "Keyword, Browse and Exact" I've seen as a optional radio buttons in 
> iBistro. NOTE (from iBistro): doing an EXACT search on a "group" of 
> libraries will not produce the desired results you are looking for.
> Browse is not designed to search across a 'group' of libraries. When 
> using Browse you choose either a single library or all libraries in 
> the database.
> In the phraseology "One suggestion was made to remove 505 from the 
> general keyword and title search" is that remove from the General, 
> Keyword, and Title searching or from 'general keyword and title 
> searching'?
> Maybe it's Monday and this isn't 'soaking' in. Sorry.
> John
> 
> --------------------------------------------
> John Slanicky, LLSAP Coordinator
> Prairie Area Library System
> Shorewood Service Center
> Shorewood, IL  60404
> 815.729.3345 x2716
> 815.229.2716 Direct
> johns at palsnet.info
> 
>  
> 
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> [mailto:pgindexingsub-bounces at mailman.palsnet.info] On Behalf Of 
> Smith, Culley
> 	Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 1:04 PM
> 	To: pgindexingsub at mailman.palsnet.info 
> 	Subject: [Pgindexingsub] 505 and Keyword Relevancy
> 	
> 	
> 
> 	Hi all,
> 
> 	 
> 
> 	There was a recent discussion about getting good phrase results
for 
> simple phrases.  One that was mentioned was "high church."  The 
> results for a keyword and title search were identical.  Out of a long 
> list of results, only two contained the phrase "high church" in any 
> obvious manner.
> 
> 	 
> 
> 	Sirsi explained to PALS that our system is currently configured
so 
> that a Keyword Title seach will search the following fields:
> 
> 	
> 	130
> 	240
> 	245
> 	246
> 	440
> 	505
> 	730
> 	740
> 
> 	 
> 
> 	One suggestion was made to remove 505 from the general keyword
and 
> title search, and perhaps add "Table of Contents"
> to the "Search Resource" menu as an advanced search option.
> 
> 	 
> 
> 	Any thoughts on the matter?
> 
> 	 
> 
> 	Thanks,
> 
> 	 
> 
> 	Culley
> 
> 	 
> 
> 
>